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		<description><![CDATA[Nightmarch, foaled in 1925 was an outstanding New Zealand bred Thoroughbred racehorse known as The Kiwi. He won the New Zealand Derby and Dunedin Cup as a three-year-old before going to Australia where he became the first horse to win both the Melbourne Cup (defeating Phar Lap) and Cox Plate in the same year, as [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong>Nightmarch</strong>, foaled in 1925 was an outstanding New Zealand bred  Thoroughbred racehorse known as <em>The Kiwi</em>. He won the New Zealand Derby  and Dunedin Cup as a three-year-old before going to Australia where he became  the first horse to win both the Melbourne Cup (defeating Phar Lap) and Cox Plate  in the same year, as well as other Principal races.</p>
<p>He was by Night Raid, the sire of Phar Lap, out of the good racemare and  broodmare, Marsa (1911) by Martian, a mare that traced to Manto. Marsa produced  five foals, all of which raced and were winners.</p>
<h2>Racing record</h2>
<p>As a two-year-old he had eight starts and won two, the Dunedin J.C. Juvenile  (by two lengths) and Hopeful Handicaps, having dead heated with Full Feather in  the latter race.</p>
<p>Nightmarch was then sold privately to Alan Louisson, and won the Canterbury  Linwood Handicap, New Zealand Derby, Marton Cup, Dunedin Cup, and Great Autumn  Handicap for him when he was a three-year-old.<sup id="cite_ref-Barrie_1-0"><a href="#cite_note-Barrie-1">[2]</a></sup></p>
<p>In the spring of 1929, Louisson took Nightmarch to Sydney where he was  unplaced in his first start at Rosehill, New South Wales. The big betting  punter, Eric Connolly offered £10,000 for Nightmarch (which was rejected) after  a betting plunge by others, had been made on Nightmarch’s Metropolitan Handicap  winning chances. Connolly instead became the horse’s “campaign manager” and his  training was then altered to suit the one mile of the AJC Epsom Handicap instead  of the 13 furlongs of the Metropolitan Handicap. A big betting plunge succeeded  then when Nightmarch won the Tattersall's Spring Handicap.<sup id="cite_ref-2"><a href="#cite_note-2">[3]</a></sup> A Metropolitan Handicap start agreed upon and was won by Loquacious (a sister to  Windbag) with Nightmarch, who carried 9 st. 12 lbs. (75.5 kg), a ½ length away  in second place. After the race Connolly received numerous threatening phone  calls, some indicating possible personal injury.<sup id="cite_ref-Cavanough_3-0"><a href="#cite_note-Cavanough-3">[4]</a></sup></p>
<p>Nightmarch firmed from 20-1 to 3-1 favourite before he won the AJC Epsom  Handicap (carrying 9 stone 4 pounds). Following this he won the Randwick Plate,  the W S Cox Plate and the Melbourne Cup (after another huge betting plunge by  Connolly, which netted him at least £100,000) with two pounds over  weight-for-age from Phar Lap.<sup id="cite_ref-4"><a href="#cite_note-4">[5]</a></sup> After that, until the end of his long career, Nightmarch was seldom unplaced. In  Dunedin, New Zealand Nightmarch won the James Hazlett Gold Cup and back again in  New South Wales won the Rawson Stakes and AJC Autumn Stakes (defeating Amounis).  During his four-year-old season he had a total of 16 starts for 8 wins, 3  seconds and 4 thirds.<sup id="cite_ref-5"><a href="#cite_note-5">[6]</a></sup></p>
<p>As a five-year-old he placed third to Amounis and Phar Lap in the Warwick  Stakes and was also third in the Canterbury Stakes. In his next four starts he  ran second to Phar Lap each time—in the Chelmsford Stakes, Hill Stakes, AJC  Spring Stakes, and Craven Plate. Back in New Zealand he won the New Zealand Cup  and Canterbury Cup and was second in the GG Stead Memorial Gold Cup before  winning the Trentham Gold Cup and Awapuni Cup, and ended his fourth racing  season with a second at Canterbury, New Zealand, in the CJC Challenge Stakes,  conceding the winner 43 pounds.<sup id="cite_ref-Pring_0-1"><a href="#cite_note-Pring-0">[1]</a></sup></p>
<p>At his first start as a six-year-old Nightmarch was second in the James  Hazlett Gold Cup. Back in Sydney, Ammon Ra defeated him into second place in  both the Rawson Stakes and AJC Chipping Norton Stakes. His won his next two  races, the AJC Autumn Stakes and AJC Cumberland Stakes, which he won from  Veilmond on each occasion. In the A.J.C. Plate he was unplaced to Veilmond but  finished the racing year by again winning the Awapuni Cup.<sup id="cite_ref-6"><a href="#cite_note-6">[7]</a></sup> <sup id="cite_ref-Pring_0-2"> <a href="#cite_note-Pring-0">[1]</a></sup></p>
<p>As a seven-year-old Nightmarch did not win again, although he was second to  Peter Pan by half a length in the Rosehill Hill Stakes next spring. His last  stake-earning was third place behind Veilmond in the AJC Spring Stakes.</p>
<h3>Summary</h3>
<p>Nightmarch was the first horse to win both the Melbourne Cup (beating Phar  Lap) and Cox Plate in the same year (1929), a feat repeated by Phar Lap the  following year (1930), fellow New Zealand racehorse Rising Fast in 1954, Saintly  in 1996 and Makybe Diva in 2005. Overall he had 69 starts for 23½ wins  (including a dead heat), 18 seconds and 11 thirds for £32,116. At the time the  two greats Gloaming and Nightmarch were considered New Zealand's true champions.<sup id="cite_ref-Barrie_1-1"><a href="#cite_note-Barrie-1">[2]</a></sup></p>
<h2>Stud record</h2>
<p>Nightmarch stood at stud in New Zealand, where his matings with the Limond  mare Praise produced these important winners:</p>
<ul>
<li>Regal Praise (won ARC Great Northern Oaks and ARC Great Northern St.  	Leger Stakes)</li>
<li>Representative (AvJC Avondale Guineas, ARC Great Northern Guineas and  	AvJC Avondale Cup)</li>
<li>Russian Ballet (ARC Great Northern Champagne Stakes and Wanganui  	Guineas)</li>
<li>Serenata (WRC Summer Handicap and ARC New Zealand Cup)<sup id="cite_ref-7"><a href="#cite_note-7">[8]</a></sup></li>
</ul>
<p>He the sire of winners of more than £110,000 in stakes and died in October  1954, aged twenty-nine years old.</p>
<h2>References</h2>
<div>
<ol>
<li id="cite_note-Pring-0">^ 		<a href="#cite_ref-Pring_0-0"> <sup><em><strong>a</strong></em></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-Pring_0-1"> <sup><em><strong>b</strong></em></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-Pring_0-2"> <sup><em><strong>c</strong></em></sup></a> Pring, Peter; "Analysis of Champion  		Racehorses", The Thoroughbred Press, Sydney, 1977, ISBN 0-908133-00-6</li>
<li id="cite_note-Barrie-1">^ 		<a href="#cite_ref-Barrie_1-0"> <sup><em><strong>a</strong></em></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-Barrie_1-1"> <sup><em><strong>b</strong></em></sup></a> Barrie, Douglas M., "The Australian  		Bloodhorse<em>, Angus &amp; Robertson, Sydney, 1956</em></li>
<li id="cite_note-2"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/horseracing/how-night-vision-highlighted-a-mastermind/2006/11/06/1162661619228.html"> SMH: Eric Connolly played the Melbourne Cup and won - big-time, writes  		Max Presnell</a> Retrieved 2010-9-18</li>
<li id="cite_note-Cavanough-3"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-Cavanough_3-0"> ^</a></strong> Cavanough, Maurice, <em>The Melbourne Cup</em>, Jack Pollard  		P/L, North Sydney, 1976</li>
<li id="cite_note-4"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-4">^</a></strong> <em>Bookmakers did not wake up to Nighmarch plunge</em>, p. 30, Racetrack  		magazine, April 1982</li>
<li id="cite_note-5"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-5">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A080099b.htm?hilite=connolly"> ADB: Connolly, Eric Alfred (1880 - 1944)</a> Retrieved 2010-9-18</li>
<li id="cite_note-6"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-6">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.studbook.org.au/horse.aspx?hid=6312&amp;pagetype=RACEWINS"> ASB: Nightmarch (NZ) - wins</a> Retrieved 2010-9-18</li>
<li id="cite_note-7"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-7">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.studbook.org.au/horse.aspx?hid=6312&amp;pagetype=OFFSPRINGWINS"> ASB: Nightmarch (NZ) – SW progeny</a> Retrieved 2010-9-18</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kip Thorne   The Thorne–Hawking–Preskill bet refers to a public bet on the outcome of the black hole information paradox made in 1997 by physics theorists Kip Thorne, Stephen Hawking and John Preskill. Thorne and Hawking argued that since general relativity made it impossible for black holes to radiate, and lose information, the mass-energy and [...]]]></description>
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<p>The <strong>Thorne–Hawking–Preskill bet</strong> refers to a public bet on the outcome  of the black hole information paradox made in 1997 by physics theorists Kip  Thorne, Stephen Hawking and John Preskill.</p>
<p>Thorne and Hawking argued that since general relativity made it impossible  for black holes to radiate, and lose information, the mass-energy and  information carried by Hawking Radiation must be "new", and must not originate  from inside the black hole event horizon. Since this contradicted the idea under  quantum mechanics of microcausality, quantum mechanics would need to be  rewritten.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.betblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Stephen_Hawking.StarChild.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3152" title="Stephen_Hawking.StarChild" src="http://www.betblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Stephen_Hawking.StarChild-208x300.jpg" alt="" width="208" height="300" /></a><em>Stephen Hawking</em></p>
<p>Preskill argued the opposite, that since quantum mechanics suggests that the  information emitted by a black hole relates to information that fell in at an  earlier time, the view of black holes given by general relativity must be  modified in some way.</p>
<p>The winner of the bet would receive an encyclopedia of the losers choice from  them.</p>
<p>In 2004, Hawking announced that he was conceding the bet, and that he now  believed that black hole horizons should fluctuate and leak information, in  doing so providing Preskill with a copy of <em>Total Baseball, The Ultimate  Baseball Encyclopedia</em>.<sup id="cite_ref-0"><a href="#cite_note-0">[1]</a></sup> Comparing the useless information obtainable from a black hole to "burning an  encyclopedia", Hawking later joked, "I gave John an encyclopedia of baseball,  but maybe I should just have given him the ashes."<sup id="cite_ref-1"><a href="#cite_note-1">[2]</a></sup></p>
<p>Thorne, however, remained unconvinced of Hawking's proof and declined to  contribute to the award.<sup id="cite_ref-2"><a href="#cite_note-2">[3]</a></sup> As of 2008, Hawking's argument that he has solved the paradox has not yet been  accepted by the community, and a consensus has not yet been reached that Hawking  has provided a strong enough argument that this is in fact what happens.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><a href="http://www.betblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/John_Preskill.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-3153" title="John_Preskill" src="http://www.betblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/John_Preskill-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a>John Preskill</em></p>
<p>Hawking had earlier speculated that the singularity at the centre of a black  hole could form a bridge to a "baby universe," a term coined by Canadian  Astrophysicist Chad Bryden, into which the lost information could pass; such  theories have been very popular in science fiction. But according to Hawking's  new idea, presented at the 17th International Conference on General Relativity  and Gravitation, on 21 July 2004 in Dublin, Republic of Ireland, black holes  eventually transmit, in a garbled form, information about all matter they  swallow:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Euclidean path integral over all topologically trivial metrics can be  	done by time slicing and so is unitary when analytically continued to the  	Lorentzian. On the other hand, the path integral over all topologically  	non-trivial metrics is asymptotically independent of the initial state. Thus  	the total path integral is unitary and information is not lost in the  	formation and evaporation of black holes. The way the information gets out  	seems to be that a true event horizon never forms, just an apparent horizon.<sup id="cite_ref-3"><a href="#cite_note-3">[4]</a></sup></p>
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<p>Another older bet – about the existence of black holes – was described by  Hawking as an "insurance policy" of sorts. To quote from his book <em>A Brief  History of Time</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>This was a form of insurance policy for me. I have done a lot of work on  	black holes, and it would all be wasted if it turned out that black holes do  	not exist. But in that case, I would have the consolation of winning my bet,  	which would win me four years of the magazine <em>Private Eye</em>. If black  	holes do exist, Kip will get one year of <em>Penthouse</em>. When we made the  	bet in 1975, we were 80% certain that Cygnus was a black hole. By now, I  	would say that we are about 95% certain, but the bet has yet to be settled.</p>
<p><cite>—Stephen Hawking, <em>A Brief History of  	Time (1988)</em><sup id="cite_ref-book_4-0"><a href="#cite_note-book-4">[5]</a></sup></cite></p>
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<p>In the updated and expanded edition of <em>A Brief History of Time</em>,  Hawking states that "Although the situation with Cygnus X-1 has not changed much  since we made the bet in 1975, there is now so much other observational evidence  in favour of black holes that I have conceded the bet. I paid the specified  penalty, which was a one year subscription to Penthouse, to the outrage of Kip's  liberated wife."</p>
<h2>References</h2>
<ol>
<li id="cite_note-0"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-0"> ^</a></strong> Hawking, S. W. (10/2005). 	<a rel="nofollow" href="http://link.aps.org/doi/10.1103/PhysRevD.72.084013"> "Information loss in black holes"</a>. <em>Physical Review D</em> (American  	Physical Society) <strong>72</strong> (8): 4. 	doi:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevD.72.084013">10.1103/PhysRevD.72.084013</a>.</li>
<li id="cite_note-1"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-1"> ^</a></strong> Hawking, Stephen. 	<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hawking.org.uk/index.php/lectures/92"> "My Life in Physics"</a>. </li>
<li id="cite_note-2"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-2"> ^</a></strong> Preskill, John (24 July 2004). 	<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.theory.caltech.edu/%7Epreskill/jp_24jul04.html"> "On Hawking's Concession"</a>. 	California Institute of Technology.</li>
<li id="cite_note-3"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-3"> ^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dcu.ie/%7Enolanb/gr17.htm"> "17th International Conference"</a>. GR17.</li>
<li id="cite_note-book-4"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-book_4-0"> ^</a></strong> Hawking, Stephen (1988). <em>A Brief  	History of Time</em>. 	Bantam Books. 	ISBN 0-553-38016-8.</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[Understanding that Simon wanted to bet again, Ehrlich and climatologist Stephen Schneider counter-offered, challenging Simon to bet on 15 current trends, betting $1000 that each will get worse (as in the previous wager) over a ten year future period. The trends they bet would continue to worsen were: The three years 2002–2004 will on average [...]]]></description>
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<p>The trends they bet would continue to worsen were:</p>
<ul>
<li>The three years 2002–2004 will on average be warmer than 1992-1994.</li>
<li>There will be more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in 2004 than in  	1994.</li>
<li>There will be more nitrous oxide in the atmosphere in 2004 than 1994.</li>
<li>The concentration of ozone in the lower atmosphere (the troposphere)  	will be greater than in 1994.</li>
<li>Emissions of the air pollutant sulfur dioxide in Asia will be  	significantly greater in 2004 than in 1994.</li>
<li>There will be less fertile cropland per person in 2004 than in 1994.</li>
<li>There will be less agricultural soil per person in 2004 than 1994.</li>
<li>There will be on average less rice and wheat grown per person in  	2002–2004 than in 1992-1994.</li>
<li>In developing nations there will be less firewood available per person  	in 2004 than in 1994.</li>
<li>The remaining area of virgin tropical moist forests will be  	significantly smaller in 2004 than in 1994.</li>
<li>The oceanic fisheries harvest per person will continue its downward  	trend and thus in 2004 will be smaller than in 1994.</li>
<li>There will be fewer plant and animal species still extant in 2004 than  	in 1994.</li>
<li>More people will die of AIDS in 2004 than in 1994.</li>
<li>Between 1994 and 2004, sperm cell counts of human males will continue to  	decline and reproductive disorders will continue to increase.</li>
<li>The gap in wealth between the richest 10% of humanity and the poorest  	10% will be greater in 2004 than in 1994.</li>
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<p>Simon declined Ehrlich and Schneider's offer to bet, and used the following  analogy to explain why he did so:</p>
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<td valign="top">Let me characterize their  		offer as follows. I predict, and this is for real, that the average  		performances in the next Olympics will be better than those in the last  		Olympics. On average, the performances have gotten better, Olympics to  		Olympics, for a variety of reasons. What Ehrlich and others says is that  		they don't want to bet on athletic performances, they want to bet on the  		conditions of the track, or the weather, or the officials, or any other  		such indirect measure.</td>
<td width="20" valign="bottom">”</td>
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<p>Simon's thesis is that humanity's life-style will continue to improve, and  several of the points of Ehrlich's second bet may increase for wholly benign  reasons. For instance, the prediction of less agricultural soil per capita is a  trend that Simon observed in The Ultimate Resource which Simon attributed to  long-term rises in agricultural productivity.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Paul Ehrlich's website: In 1980, Julian Simon repeatedly challenged environmental scientists to bet against him on trends in prices of commodities, asserting that humanity would never run out of anything... Paul and the other scientists knew that the five metals in the proposed wager were not critical indicators and said so at the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<fb:like href='http://www.betblogger.net/2010/05/why-ehrlich-lost-in-simon-ehrlich-wager/' send='true' layout='standard' show_faces='true' width='450' height='65' action='like' colorscheme='light' font='lucida+grande'></fb:like><p>According to Paul Ehrlich's website:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1980, Julian Simon repeatedly challenged environmental scientists  		to bet against him on trends in prices of commodities, asserting that  		humanity would never run out of anything... Paul and the other  		scientists knew that the five metals in the proposed wager were not  		critical indicators and said so at the time... They emphasized that the  		depletion of so-called renewable resources — environmental resources  		such as soils, forests, species diversity, and groundwater — is much  		more indicative of the deteriorating state of society's life-support  		systems... Nonetheless, after consulting with many colleagues, Paul and  		Berkeley physicists John Harte and John Holdren accepted Simon's  		challenge in late 1980...<sup id="cite_ref-paul_6-0"><a href="#cite_note-paul-6">[1]</a></sup></p></blockquote>
<p>It's not clear if Ehrlich consulted with economists. If he had, the flaw  	in using commodity prices as the best way to understand biophysical limits  	might have become obvious. Many economists understand the principle of  	substitution and the dynamic influence of technology with respect to  	commodity prices. For example, in the absence of any new technologies,  	copper prices would indeed be expected to increase as growing economies  	demanded more copper to meet the needs of expanding communications networks  	and plumbing infrastructure. Technological changes mitigated much of this  	expected demand as fiber optics replaced copper wire networks and various  	plastics replaced the once ubiquitous copper pipes throughout the  	construction industry.</p>
<p>Julian Simon won because the price of three of the five metals went down  	in absolute terms and all five of the metals fell in price in  	inflation-adjusted terms,<sup id="cite_ref-paul_6-1"><a href="#cite_note-paul-6">[1]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-7"><a href="#cite_note-7">[2]</a></sup> with both tin and tungsten falling by more than half. So, per the terms of  	the wager, Ehrlich paid Simon the difference in price between the same  	quantity of metals in 1980 and 1990 (which was $576.07). The prices of all  	five metals increased between 1950 and 1975, but Ehrlich believes three of  	the five went down during the 1980s because of the price of oil doubling in  	1979, and because of a worldwide recession in the early 1980s.</p>
<p>Yet, it is significant that, according to an article in <em>Wired</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>All of [Ehrlich's] grim predictions had been decisively overturned by  		events. Ehrlich was wrong about higher natural resource prices, about  		"famines of unbelievable proportions" occurring by 1975, about "hundreds  		of millions of people starving to death" in the 1970s and '80s, about  		the world "entering a genuine age of scarcity." In 1990, for his having  		promoted "greater public understanding of environmental problems,"  		Ehrlich received a MacArthur Foundation Genius Award." [Simon] always  		found it somewhat peculiar that neither the Science piece nor his public  		wager with Ehrlich nor anything else that he did, said, or wrote seemed  		to make much of a dent on the world at large. For some reason he could  		never comprehend, people were inclined to believe the very worst about  		anything and everything; they were immune to contrary evidence just as  		if they'd been medically vaccinated against the force of fact.  		Furthermore, there seemed to be a bizarre reverse-Cassandra effect  		operating in the universe: whereas the mythical Cassandra spoke the  		awful truth and was not believed, these days "experts" spoke awful  		falsehoods, and they were believed. Repeatedly being wrong actually  		seemed to be an advantage, conferring some sort of puzzling magic glow  		upon the speaker.<sup id="cite_ref-8"><a href="#cite_note-8">[3]</a></sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Exponential population growth cannot continue indefinitely for any  	species, whether it exists as microbes in a petri dish, wild salmon at sea,  	caribou in the taiga, or a global human society. However, world population  	is no longer growing exponentially; it has been decelerating for the last  	half century or so, and UN projections show that it may actually decline  	after 2040.<sup id="cite_ref-9"><a href="#cite_note-9">[4]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-10"><a href="#cite_note-10">[5]</a></sup></p>
<p>Simon offered to raise the wager to $20,000 and to use any resources at  	any time that Ehrlich preferred. Ehrlich countered with a challenge to bet  	that temperatures would increase in the future.<sup id="cite_ref-paul_6-2"><a href="#cite_note-paul-6">[1]</a></sup> The two were unable to reach an agreement on the terms of a second wager  	before Simon died.</p>
<p>Inflation-adjusted price movements of the commodities in the wager  	between Simon and Ehrlich may be seen in the larger 1950–2002 context in the  	following chart. Prices for these five commodities were generally rising  	from 1960 up until 1978, and generally falling thereafter.<sup id="cite_ref-11"><a href="#cite_note-11">[6]</a></sup></p>
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<h2>References</h2>
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<ol>
<li id="cite_note-paul-6">^ 			<a href="#cite_ref-paul_6-0"> <sup><em><strong>a</strong></em></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-paul_6-1"> <sup><em><strong>b</strong></em></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-paul_6-2"> <sup><em><strong>c</strong></em></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-paul_6-3"> <sup><em><strong>d</strong></em></sup></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.stanford.edu/group/CCB/Pubs/Ecofablesdocs/thebet.htm"> "Center for Conservation biology"</a>. Stanford.edu. 2005-03-16.</li>
<li id="cite_note-7"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-7"> ^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/People/julian_simon.html"> [1]</a></li>
<li id="cite_note-8"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-8"> ^</a></strong> Regis, Ed (February 1997). 			<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.02/ffsimon_pr.html"> "The Doomslayer"</a>. <em>Wired</em> <strong>5</strong> (2).</li>
<li id="cite_note-9"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-9"> ^</a></strong> Population Division, UNDESA  			(2004). 			<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/longrange2/WorldPop2300final.pdf"> <em>World Population to 2300</em></a>. New York: United Nations.</li>
<li id="cite_note-10"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-10"> ^</a></strong> Cobb, Loren (October 2006). 			<a rel="nofollow" href="http://tqe.quaker.org/2006/TQE149-EN-Population.html"> "Population Implosion"</a>. <em>The Quaker Economist</em> <strong>6</strong> (#149).</li>
<li id="cite_note-11"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-11"> ^</a></strong> Kelly, Thomas D; Matos, Grecia  			R (2005). 			<a rel="nofollow" href="http://minerals.usgs.gov/ds/2005/140"> "Historical Statistics for Mineral and Material Commodities in the  			United States"</a>. <em>U.S. Geological Survey Data Series 140</em>.  			U.S. Geological Survey.</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julian L. Simon and Paul Ehrlich entered in a famous wager in 1980, betting on a mutually agreed upon measure of resource scarcity over the decade leading up to 1990. Simon had Ehrlich choose five of several commodity metals. Ehrlich chose 5 metals: copper, chromium, nickel, tin, and tungsten. Simon bet that their prices would [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<fb:like href='http://www.betblogger.net/2010/03/simon-ehrlich-wager/' send='true' layout='standard' show_faces='true' width='450' height='65' action='like' colorscheme='light' font='lucida+grande'></fb:like><p>Julian L. Simon and Paul Ehrlich entered in a famous wager in 1980, betting  on a mutually agreed upon measure of resource scarcity over the decade leading  up to 1990. Simon had Ehrlich choose five of several commodity metals. Ehrlich  chose 5 metals: copper, chromium, nickel, tin, and tungsten. Simon bet that  their prices would go down. Ehrlich bet they would go up.<sup id="cite_ref-0"><a href="#cite_note-0">[note  1]</a></sup> Ehrlich ultimately lost the bet, and all five commodities that were  selected as the basis for the wager continued to trend downward until 2002, when  metal prices generally began to increase<sup id="cite_ref-1"><a href="#cite_note-1">[1]</a></sup> and at least the price of copper,<sup id="cite_ref-2"><a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup> tin,<sup id="cite_ref-3"><a href="#cite_note-3">[3]</a></sup> and nickel<sup id="cite_ref-4"><a href="#cite_note-4">[4]</a></sup> increased.</p>
<p>In 1968, Ehrlich was the author of a popular book, <em>The Population Bomb</em>,  which argued that mankind was facing a demographic catastrophe with the rate of  population growth quickly outstripping growth in the supply of food and  resources. Simon, a libertarian, was highly skeptical of such claims.</p>
<p>You could name your own terms: select any raw material you wanted — copper,  tin, whatever — and select any date in the future, "any date more than a year  away," and Simon would bet that the commodity's price on that date would be  lower than what it was at the time of the wager...</p>
<p>Ehrlich and his colleagues picked five metals that they thought would undergo  big price rises: chromium, copper, nickel, tin, and tungsten. Then, on paper,  they bought $200 worth of each, for a total bet of $1,000, using the prices on  September 29, 1980, as an index. They designated September 29, 1990, 10 years  hence, as the payoff date. If the inflation-adjusted prices of the various  metals rose in the interim, Simon would pay Ehrlich the combined difference; if  the prices fell, Ehrlich et al. would pay Simon...</p>
<p>Between 1980 and 1990, the world's population grew by more than 800 million,  the largest increase in one decade in all of history. But by September 1990,  without a single exception, the price of each of Ehrlich's selected metals had  fallen, and in some cases had dropped through the floor. Chrome, which had sold  for $3.90 a pound in 1980, was down to $3.70 in 1990. Tin, which was $8.72 a  pound in 1980, was down to $3.88 a decade later.<sup id="cite_ref-doomslayer_5-0"><a href="#cite_note-doomslayer-5">[5]</a></sup></p>
<p>As a result, in October 1990, Paul Ehrlich mailed Julian Simon a check for  $576.07 to settle the wager in Simon's favor.</p>
<h2>Other wagers</h2>
<p>In 1996, Simon bet $1000 with David South that the inflation-adjusted price  of timber would decrease in the following 5 years. Simon paid out early on the  bet in 1997 (before his death in 1998) based on his expectation that prices  would remain above 1996 levels (which they did).<sup id="cite_ref-13"><a href="#cite_note-13">[6]</a></sup></p>
<p>In recent years, there have been many bets and bet challenges related to  global warming.<sup id="cite_ref-14"><a href="#cite_note-14">[7]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-15"><a href="#cite_note-15">[8]</a></sup> For instance, J. Scott Armstrong challenged Al Gore to a climate-related bet in  2007 <sup id="cite_ref-16"> <a href="#cite_note-16">[9]</a></sup> that focused on year-to-year variation in temperatures but not on betting over  longer term changes in global average temperatures.<sup id="cite_ref-17"><a href="#cite_note-17">[10]</a></sup></p>
<h2>Notes</h2>
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<li id="cite_note-0"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-0">^</a></strong> The face-off occurred in the pages of Social Science Quarterly, where Simon  	challenged Ehrlich to put his money where his mouth was. In response to  	Ehrlich's published claim that "If I were a gambler, I would take even money  	that England will not exist in the year 2000" — a proposition Simon regarded  	as too silly to bother with — Simon countered with "a public offer to stake  	US$10,000 ... on my belief that the cost of non-government-controlled raw  	materials (including grain and oil) will not rise in the long run."</li>
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<h2>References</h2>
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<li id="cite_note-1"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=metals-price-index&amp;months=120"> http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=metals-price-index&amp;months=120</a></li>
<li id="cite_note-2"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></strong> <a title="File:Copper Price History USD.png" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copper_Price_History_USD.png"> File:Copper Price History USD.png</a></li>
<li id="cite_note-3"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lme.co.uk/tin_graphs.asp"> http://www.lme.co.uk/tin_graphs.asp</a></li>
<li id="cite_note-4"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-4">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lme.co.uk/non-ferrous/index.asp"> http://www.lme.co.uk/non-ferrous/index.asp</a></li>
<li id="cite_note-doomslayer-5"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-doomslayer_5-0"> ^</a></strong> Regis, Ed (February 1997). 		<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.webcitation.org/5Xu64dbNz"> "The Doomslayer"</a>. <em>Wired (Issue 5.02)</em>. Archived from 		<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.02/ffsimon_pr.html"> the original</a> on 2008-05-18.</li>
<li id="cite_note-13"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-13">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.forestry.auburn.edu/sfnmc/web/bet.html"> "The Simon South Bet On Pine Sawtimber"</a>. Forestry.auburn.edu.  		1998-02-08.</li>
<li id="cite_note-14"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-14">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nature.com/search/executeSearch?sp-q=james+annan+sceptic&amp;sp-c=10&amp;sp-x-9=cat&amp;sp-s=date&amp;sp-q-9=NATURE&amp;submit=go&amp;sp-a=sp1001702d&amp;sp-sfvl-field=subject%7Cujournal&amp;sp-x-1=ujournal&amp;sp-p-1=phrase&amp;sp-p=all"> Nature</a></li>
<li id="cite_note-15"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-15">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/34976.html"> "Betting on Climate Change: It's time to put up or shut up - Reason  		Magazine"</a>. Reason.com. 2005-06-08.</li>
<li id="cite_note-16"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-16">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://theclimatebet.com/2007/06/16/a-global-warming-challenge/"> [2]</a></li>
<li id="cite_note-17"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-17">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/07/green-and-armstrongs-scientific-forecast/"> "Green and Armstrong’s scientific forecast"</a>. RealClimate.</li>
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<h2>Links</h2>
<ul>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.02/ffsimon_pr.html"> Wired Magazine article on Julian Simon as Doomslayer and the wager</a></li>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.stanford.edu/group/CCB/Pubs/Ecofablesdocs/thebet.htm"> Paul Ehrlich's webpage on the two Simon bets</a></li>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.overpopulation.com/simon_bet.html"> http://www.overpopulation.com/simon_bet.html</a></li>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://dieoff.org/page27.htm"> Overpopulation — The Population Explosion</a> "Brownlash" and the wager</li>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.libertarian.to/NewsDta/templates/news1.php?art=art464"> "Julian Simon's Bet With Paul Ehrlich"</a> by Brian Carnell at 	<a title="Libertarian International (page does not exist)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Libertarian_International&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1"> Libertarian International</a> website</li>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mnforsustain.org/partridge_e_j_simon_and_perilous_optimism.htm"> Julian Simon's Perilous Optimism</a></li>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.greenhouse.crc.org.au/about_greenhouse/greenhouse_gases.cfm"> Graphs of carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide levels</a></li>
<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://theclimatebet.com/"> Armstrong-Gore climate bet</a></li>
<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.longbets.org/"> Long Bets Organization</a></li>
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		<description><![CDATA[This bet is admitted by both parties to be a good-natured resurrection of the same spirit and tradition behind the famous Simon-Ehrlich wager which spanned the years 1980-1990. Tierney was a life-long friend and protégé of the late Julian Simon (the winner of the Simon-Ehrlich wager), and eagerly embraced the opportunity to follow in his [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<fb:like href='http://www.betblogger.net/2010/03/precedent-and-legacy-of-the-simon-ehrlich-wager/' send='true' layout='standard' show_faces='true' width='450' height='65' action='like' colorscheme='light' font='lucida+grande'></fb:like><p>This bet is admitted by both parties to be a good-natured resurrection of the  same spirit and tradition behind the famous Simon-Ehrlich wager which spanned  the years 1980-1990.</p>
<p>Tierney was a life-long friend and protégé of the late Julian Simon (the  winner of the Simon-Ehrlich wager), and eagerly embraced the opportunity to  follow in his mentor's footsteps. Tierney is (as was Simon) an avowed  Cornucopian, believing in the ingenuity of humankind to adapt and improvise.  Meanwhile, Simmons' "Twilight in the Desert" seemed to Tierney to be cut from  the same gloom-and-doom cloth as Paul R. Ehrlich's <em>The Population Bomb</em>, a  book published in 1968 which later became the impetus for the Simon-Ehrlich  wager. When that well-renowned wager was settled in 1990, Simon's boomster  victory over Ehrlich's doomster philosophies was heralded as a triumph for  Cornucopian economics.</p>
<p>Tierney made unabashed reference to that infamous wager as he gave his  apologetic for embarking upon this redux of it:</p>
<blockquote><p>I didn't try to argue with [Simmons] about Saudi Arabia, because I know  	next to nothing about oil production there or anywhere else. I'm just  	following the advice of a mentor and friend, the economist Julian Simon: if  	you find anyone willing to bet that natural resource prices are going up,  	take him for all you can.</p></blockquote>
<h2>The inclusion of  Rita Simon</h2>
<p>After the bet was agreed upon (but before it was made public) Tierney  immediately called Rita Simon, the widow of Julian Simon. She delightedly joined  with Tierney's effort to carry on with her late husband's legacy, and even  financed one half of Tierney’s obligation to the bet by contributing  USD$2,500.00 of her own.</p>
<h2>Ongoing updates</h2>
<p>The price-per-barrel of crude oil is being heavily scrutinized by oil  industry watchers aware of this bet. Many peak oil websites make frequent  reference to the Simmons-Tierney bet<sup id="cite_ref-1"><a href="#cite_note-1">[1]</a></sup> and some have already begun daily tabulations and adjusted-for-inflation charts  on the latest price-per-barrel. (The price-per-barrel of oil at the time of the  bet — August 2005 — was around $65.00. The price as of the initial publishing of  this article — May 10, 2008 — was $125.96; the record high of $147 in July 2008  was in large part attributable to a weak U.S. dollar.)</p>
<p>With the dramatic drop in demand and prices for many commodities in the  economic crisis of 2008, the average per-barrel price for December 2008 reached  a post-spike low of $40.88, then steadily climbed back to an average of $78.33  for the month of January 2010.<sup id="cite_ref-2"><a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup></p>
<p>Both Simmons and Tierney (as of this writing) have publicly availed their  e-mail addresses with a formal and open invitation to anyone else in the general  population who might like to make similar wagers.</p>
<h2>References</h2>
<div>
<ol>
<li id="cite_note-1"><strong><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3738"> Update on the Simmons-Tierney Bet</a>, theoildrum.com, by Stuart  		Staniford on March 17, 2008</li>
<li id="cite_note-2"><strong><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_spt_s1_m.htm"> Spot Prices for Crude Oil and Petroleum Products</a>, WTI - Cushing,  		Oklahoma. Retrieved 2010-02-26.</li>
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		<title>Simmons–Tierney bet</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Simmons-Tierney bet is a bet made in August 2005 between Houston banking executive Matthew R. Simmons and New York Times columnist John Tierney.[1] The stakes of the bet are US$10,000.00. The subject of the bet is the year-end average of the daily price-per-barrel of crude oil for the entire calendar year of 2010. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<fb:like href='http://www.betblogger.net/2010/02/simmons%e2%80%93tierney-bet/' send='true' layout='standard' show_faces='true' width='450' height='65' action='like' colorscheme='light' font='lucida+grande'></fb:like><p>The <strong>Simmons-Tierney bet</strong> is a bet made in August 2005 between Houston  banking executive Matthew R. Simmons and <em>New York Times</em> columnist John  Tierney.<sup id="cite_ref-0"><a href="#cite_note-0">[1]</a></sup> The stakes of the bet are US$10,000.00. The subject of the bet is the year-end  average of the daily price-per-barrel of crude oil for the entire calendar year  of 2010. The bet is to be settled on January 1, 2011.</p>
<p>Simmons and Tierney had never met before. But their association began after  Simmons had been interviewed by a journalist colleague of Tierney's, Peter Maass,  for a <em>New York Times Magazine</em> article called "The Breaking Point,"  published on August 21, 2005. The article heavily emphasized the doomsday claims  of Simmons latest book <em>Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and  the World Economy</em>. That book is his prophecy of imminent global catastrophe  which he asserts will be triggered by the allegedly soon-coming "peaking" of  Saudi oil output, and the supposed domino effect of destruction that he says  will subsequently be wreaked upon the global economy. Tierney's dubious reaction  to the article prompted him to call Simmons, introduce himself, and ask Simmons  to back up his claims with cash. The friendly wager was immediately worked out  over the phone.</p>
<h2>Terms of the bet</h2>
<p>Of the many claims that Simmons made in the <em>Times</em> article, his  prediction of a tripling in the price-per-barrel of crude struck Tierney as  perhaps the most incredible. In the Peter Maass article, Simmons was quoted as  saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>"We're going to look back at history and say $55 a barrel was cheap,"  	[Simmons] said, recalling a TV interview in which he predicted that a barrel  	might hit triple digits. [Simmons] said that the anchor scoffed, in  	disbelief, "A hundred dollars?" Simmons replied, "I wasn't talking about low  	triple digits."</p></blockquote>
<p>So Tierney focused upon that one detail and the two men fashioned the bet  accordingly. Their final agreement was a commitment to tabulate every closing  price-per-barrel of oil for each market day of 2010, then average out those  prices for the entire year from January 1 through December 31, (adjusted for  inflation to 2005 prices). If the year-end adjusted average comes out to $200.00  or more per barrel, Mr. Simmons wins. If it averages out to less than $200.00,  Mr. Tierney wins. The winner takes the entire pot of US$10,000.00, plus interest  ($5,000.00 from both parties, currently sitting in escrow).</p>
<p>The bet was made public just two days later in an op-ed piece by Tierney  published in the New York Times, August 23, 2005 called "The $10,000.00  Question".</p>
<h2>Links</h2>
<ul>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/opinion/23tierney.html"> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/opinion/23tierney.html</a></li>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.twilightinthedesert.com/"> http://www.twilightinthedesert.com/</a></li>
<li> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.theoildrum.com/"> http://www.theoildrum.com/</a> - 	<a title="The Oil Drum" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oil_Drum">The  	Oil Drum</a></li>
</ul>
<h2>References</h2>
<div>
<ol>
<li id="cite_note-0"><strong><a href="#cite_ref-0">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/opinion/23tierney.html?_r=1&amp;oref=login"> The $10,000 Question</a>, The New York Times, By JOHN TIERNEY,  		Published: August 23, 2005</li>
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		<title>Carr–Benkler wager</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yochai Benkler speaking at UC Berkeley Boalt Hall School of law on 27 April 2006. Nicholas Carr speaking at the VINT Symposium held in Utrecht, Netherlands on June 17, 2008. The Carr-Benkler wager is between Yochai Benkler and Nicholas Carr about whether the most influential sites on the Internet will be peer-produced or price-incentivized systems. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<fb:like href='http://www.betblogger.net/2010/01/carr%e2%80%93benkler-wager/' send='true' layout='standard' show_faces='true' width='450' height='65' action='like' colorscheme='light' font='lucida+grande'></fb:like><p><a href="http://www.betblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Yochai_benkler_boalt_high-res.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1646" title="Yochai Benkler" src="http://www.betblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Yochai_benkler_boalt_high-res-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a> Yochai Benkler speaking at UC Berkeley Boalt  Hall School of law on 27 April 2006.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://www.betblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Nicholas_Carr_speaking_at_the_VINT_Symposium_in_2008_edit3.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1647" title="Nicholas Carr" src="http://www.betblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Nicholas_Carr_speaking_at_the_VINT_Symposium_in_2008_edit3-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a> Nicholas Carr speaking at the VINT Symposium held in Utrecht, Netherlands  on June 17, 2008.</em></p>
<p>The <strong>Carr-Benkler wager</strong> is between Yochai Benkler and Nicholas Carr  about whether the most influential sites on the Internet will be peer-produced  or price-incentivized systems.</p>
<h2>History</h2>
<p>The wager was proposed by Benkler in July 2006 in a comment to a blog post  where Carr criticizes Benkler's views about volunteer peer-production. Benkler  believes that by 2010 the major sites will have content provided by volunteers  in what Benkler calls commons-based peer production, as in Wikipedia, reddit,  Flickr and YouTube. Carr argues that the trend will favor content provided by  paid workers, as in most traditional news outlets.<sup id="cite_ref-0"><a href="#cite_note-0">[1]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-1"><a href="#cite_note-1">[2]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-2"><a href="#cite_note-2">[3]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-3"><a href="#cite_note-3">[4]</a></sup></p>
<h2>References</h2>
<div>
<ol>
<li id="cite_note-0"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-0">^</a></strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/aug/03/guardianweeklytechnologysection"> "What is the Carr-Benkler wager?"</a>. <em>The Guardian</em>. 		"On the two sides: Nicholas Carr, a former executive editor of  		the Harvard Business Review; and Yochai Benkler, a professor of law at  		Yale University whose book, The Wealth of Networks: How Social  		Production Transforms Markets and Freedom, suggests that new types of  		collaboration let people be more productive than profit-seeking  		ventures."</li>
<li id="cite_note-1"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></strong> Fox, Justin (February 15, 2007). 		<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1590440-1,00.html"> "Getting Rich off Those Who Work for Free."</a>. Time (magazine).  		"In other fields, it's not so clear. In a critique of Benkler's work  		last summer, business writer Nicholas Carr speculated that Web 2.0 media  		sites like Digg, Flickr and YouTube are able to rely on volunteer  		contributions simply because a market has yet to emerge to price this  		"new kind of labor." He and Benkler then entered into what has come to  		be widely known in Web circles as the "Carr-Benkler wager": a bet on  		whether, by 2011, such sites will be driven primarily by volunteers or  		by professionals."</li>
<li id="cite_note-2"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></strong> Carr, Nicholas. 		<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/07/jason_calacanis.php"> "Calacanis's wallet and the Web 2.0 dream."</a>.</li>
<li id="cite_note-3"><strong> <a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></strong> Benkler, Yochai. 		<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/07/benkler_on_cala.php"> "Benkler on Calacanis's wallet."</a>.</li>
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